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I can't really fault Bale for our losing to Norwich. He was one of the few players generating any consistent attack, maybe the only one - and he almost wasn't even fit for the game. I think we've become a bit spoiled by him and expect him to go all San Siro every week. He had the only two goals of the game in the away match, you'd think we could've gotten more than 1 goal from his teammates at home.

The big problem is questionable lineups from Harry and fatigue setting in from having to use pretty much the same first team week in, week out, while the other big teams have depth. Our loaning out potentially key support like Pienaar did not help.

I also don't buy this talk about the England job distracting the team. Let's remember the team was hitting on all cylinders back when it looked like Harry might go to prison for tax problems - a bigger distraction, one would think. And didn't we dismantle Newcastle 5-0 right after Capello stepped down?  These players have played for other coaches, and they all know they will again at some point. I doubt BAE or Ade or VDV, etc., lose their religion because they know Harry might go elsewhere, as all coaches not named SAF inevitably do.
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it's not about losing your religion, metaphorically or otherwise. it's practical thinking. let's put it in normal terms...

you and your group at work are doing really well, led by your boss who came in at a bad time and turned things around by letting everyone do what they're good at doing. it all looked peaches and you were all going to get promotions and big bonuses for as long as this guy was the boss and let you all do your thing.

but then you heard he was going to a bigger firm. and not taking you with him. and the most talented guy in your group now decides he's definitely leaving even though he was considering staying if the boss did. but bonuses, whatever they will be, aren't going to get paid for another six months.

so now everyone is just trying to not lose money instead of trying to make it because they know the party's ending after this bonus cycle anyway, but like the prevent defense this never works and you all start losing money. people are spending half their day looking for new jobs, updating their cv, etc. instead of doing work that will pay off next year when no one knows if they'll be here.

the threat of the new boss when your boss leaves is always that he'll decide you're surplus and he's got a guy who he likes better for your job. so even if you want to stay after the boss leaves, you're thinking about the future in a different way then you were when everything was peaches.

professional or not - and this happens in every field - performance is definitely going to be affected when the boss and the best performer are both lame ducks waiting to jump ship. no one's job is safe and, as such, no one gives a shit about the future that they might not be a part of when it comes.

the right thing, in hindsight, would have been to let harry go as soon as capello quit. water under the bridge for levy.
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Interesting point rob_k. We all knew Harry was jumping ship to England at the end of the season, regardless of whether Capello had stayed until the Euros or not.

Obviously everyone shares a responsibility in our recent downturn in form, however I feel Harry must take the majority of the blame. He himself has been distracted (probably by thinking of how he can fit the golden triangle of Lampard, Rooney & Gerrard together at the Euros) & this has naturally rubbed off on the team. Even Man U players suffered when they thought SAF was leaving a few seasons back.

Letting Pienaar & to a lesser extent Basson go out on loan was a ridiculous piece of business. Lennon has always picked up niggling injuries due to his growth problems. It has been well documented that Lennon will be lucky to play beyond his late 20s. I don't think Pienaar was ever given a proper shot. He has the ability to fit in anywhere across our midfield. He would be a great replacement for Lennon out right and for Rafa when he's injured (which is frequently). I even think he'd be a sufficient replacement for Modric were he also injured. He would also be better suited to switching wings with Bale than Lennon as Lennon is too one-footed.

Ryan Nelsen may have scored a goal against Bolton but he looks at least 2 stone overweight (no exaggeration) & has lost all pace. He was a great defender a few years back arguably the most under-rated EPL player at the time). Saha offers more physicality than Defpe in Ade's absence but not much else. He still tends to take way too much out of the ball instead of trying the simple lay off.

Lets hope Gallas is back for Sunday as I fear seeing Ledley on the pitch these days, unless he can muster up one last great performance against the Chavs. Please God let Parker be back, one area where Harry has well and truly shut me up this year!
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Vid, I don't think the analogy holds up. None of these guys are worried about not getting their bonuses or not having their manager take them with him. They were all playing well and feeling secure in the Top 3 despite Harry being tied up in court, which threatened to be a far greater distraction than having the FA come calling. They're all well compensated and will continue to be whether or not Harry's there.  Bale (who's even said Harry should take the FA job) and Modric know their stars will continue to rise whether here or elsewhere - though I hope that "elsewhere" is pushed off into the future as far as possible. As for the others, Ade's a rental anyway, VDV doesn't like getting pulled at the 60 min. mark, Defoe is always upset with his lack of playing time - don't see any of them tanking it because Harry might leave. As for the others, BAE is secure, Brad is a dependable vet, Walker was just named POTM. Parker seems to have the closest ties to Harry, and we'd be hard pressed to say he's ever not giving his all. King, well, he unfortunately might be wearing down, I can't blame the FA for that.

If anyone was distracted, as manhattanspur says, it would've been Harry himself, which would explain his questionable lineups of late. But then again, he would've been loads more distracted when he was facing jail time, yet there we were on the heels of Utd/City.

The biggest problems: a rough stretch in the schedule, lack of squad depth, Harry reacting slowly to in-game situations, and his infatuation with Saha and with experimenting with Bale on the right (particularly frustrating at Everton).

And I have to say it: I'm guessing Wigan is the only team that's lost more points to refereeing than Spurs have. Stoke away (obvious), Wolves home (phantom corner), City away (*two* red cards not given). Looking at possibly 8 pts out of 9 lost right there.

Ah well...onward. COYS.
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RE Bale: It seems you had to be at the lane to see how disinterested he was on Monday. He was also man marked, nothing more. The tired argument doesn't stack up either as Norwich had also played two days earlier. Bale is supposed to be one of the fittest athletes in football.
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Originally posted by manhattanspur manhattanspur wrote:

He himself has been distracted (probably by thinking of how he can fit the golden triangle of Lampard, Rooney & Gerrard together at the Euros)
 
I don't think so. It's more likely that he is considering having 21 extra limbs fitted so that he can put his arms around the shoulders of the whole squad during the Euros.
 
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I think we'll get a better idea at the FA semi. If the players have given up on the league / Harry, they'll still all what a cup, and should play like they're playing Milan.

I want to blame Harry for this bollocks. Especially his England decision. But, I had a conversation with Tottenham Steve at Floyds three months ago and he pointed out Harry's route one only style had been found out, and we'd be lucky to get into the top 5 unless (which we wouldn't) change our method. This was when we were up there challenging for the league title. lol



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Jenks, granted I wasn't at WHL but Bale was a doubt going into the game because of the Sunderland injury, so we went in knowing his fitness was a concern. What's disappointing was he still seemed to be the only one offering any semblance of a consistent attack. And if his shot had bounced in off the crossbar, we go on to win and the next day everyone would be talking about his pace and passion. But he hits it one inch too high and we're talking about his being disinterested. VDV failed to convert point blank against Chelsea and Sunderland, but I doubt it's because he was disinterested or because he was stressing over beloved Harry possibly leaving for England. Players just miss, is all.

That said, it seems clear fatigue is playing a role. Biggest reasons we lost to Norwich were King getting bossed (game seemed to turn on a dime after that first scoring opportunity he gave up) and the midfield looking thin with Modric getting knocked off the ball. I'm a Mod fan but we've seen him get worn down at times by physical play, and not having Parker's support on Monday exposed that even more. The other big teams have the luxury of rotating their stars to stay fresh for crunch time, but we're forced to use the first team as much as possible because any alteration seems to jeopardize our whole style of play - esp. with the lack of activity at the transfer deadline and what we gave away on loan.

I think as a whole we're getting worn down and playing a little tight against these terms like Everton and Sunderland and Norwich that are neither playing for CL spot nor fighting relegation battles, and probably feel like they're playing with house money against one of the Top 4.

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Originally posted by SambaSpur SambaSpur wrote:

Yes I hope we roll over and get done by those blue cunts on Sunday. I mean finish 6th or finish 6th and win the most prestigious cup competition in the world, what's the difference right?

Not getting a CL playoff place would be awful, but 'catastrophic'? We didn't make it last season and the world didn't end. In fact the lack of CL football gave us the platform to make the challenge that we did. Our lack of depth is being laid bare at the moment, when Redknapp could trot out our strongest side (except for gallas) fully rested of course the results were there. What may have been catastrophic was not capitalizing on being in the CL two seasons ago. All that money is sitting in some bank account somewhere, speculate to accumulate Daniel, you'd think he'd understand that.


Bang on. The CL is obviously more prestigious, but just making up the numbers is pointless. The new bloke will have more than enough to do to get his way of playing instilled in the players. Some people need to wake up and realise that we're looking at an overhaul of staff and not a continuation of where we were two years ago when we needed to invest. Let's win the cup and fuck Redknapp off.
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